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I like the frontosa idea :).

Very nice and healthy Menchacai.

Yup, that would work.

Easiest thing to do, if you do it religiously is ICE CUBES. :) You don't need a reefer's chiller. Give me a couple days to come over and check the pump model. Once you figure out the energy output of the pump you know the kind of chiller you need, but you don't need a 3k one for sure :)...

It's not me :)

x2 ...yup, reefers are the ones that use chillers the most.

Oh it's good. If it justifies the expense, then why not.

If you have heaters going... cut those first :). During the summer I usually did not use any heaters. To answer your question, not really sure which brand is worth the money.

Baby, eh?!? Nice one Richard.

Haven't we all done it at one point or another ...I know I still do, so why would you care anyway :) Welcome.

You are a hobbyist, Oliver is a businessman :) ...sorry, just being cheeky today. Good luck with the rays. Get yourself set up with the start up food first, and then buy your rays.

That's like a kid "Look daddy, no hands!" ...:D Glad it ended up well.

Awesome markings :)

*grabs some popcorn and waits*

If you have the money for P14s there's definitely places one can buy some ...not so sure about the ban, I've seen large pieces coming out of Brazil ;)

x2 ....

I'd go with Oliver. I can bring wilds for a little under that price, but not really worth the trouble. He's rays are stable and eating well. Frank and Nicos prices are high, but their husbandry is amazing. There's also Mike from H20aquatics.com ..he's got the best pieces in North America...

Is that some special Eclipse or Thousand Island P13?

Very rare and nobody breeds them. L046 are being bred in captivity regularly, it's just they grow really slow and that still maintains a good price on them.

The bottom one looks spectacular Gerry, my guess is it's a male.