Stingray are almost 18" the female more towards 20-22" as the tank is 24 deep and she lifts her tail to turn....
As for the xback the shine is low, thats why i posted asking about maju as i thiought it was an rtg when it arrived.... But when im up close and he goes under the light i can see frames inside the scales up to the top row so I am PRAYING i get an xback
he also has a may 2010 cert so i still have hopes for him.
Thanks for the imput guys I really appreciate it