Cirrus
Arowana blogger
Brett, I disagree with some of the points you raise.
First, I disagree that you can properly sort 6 inch Super Reds into premium grades. Sure, you can weed out PLJ or shark bite, but if the fish does not show colour then there is no guarantee it will show premium colour when older, just promises and % odds.
Second, you state that a premium SR can not be gotten for under $700-800. I agree with you, which is why I never offer to sell a premium at that price. Since you inisist on calling all Diablo reds "premiums", however, irrespective of size, I will ask you to explain the cost of these Diablos offered for sale at
$999 Singapore dollars here:
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431901
$999 Singapore dollars works out to $785 Canadian. Add on $75 shipping per fish for an order of 20-30 shipped to Canada, plus GST etc., and the price comes out to under $1000.
While on the topic of that Diablo advertisement, can you explain the middle left and bottom left photos of the SR aros? Judging by the tails of the fish, they are the same fish (note the distinctive cut in the tail rays). Yet look at the bodies of the fish and they are different. One has scale damage, the other not. Those photos are a bit confusing.
I don't mean to be a pain in the ass here and give you a hard time. I happen to think you are a good guy and are doing good things for the Canadian hobby. I also think that Pang Long has top knotch, possibly best in category XB's, hands down no argument. When it comes to their small size Super Red's that do not show clear colour characteristics - being labled premiums, I really think the jury is out. It comes back to buy the fish, not the cert. If the fish shows colour and looks good (follow Ryan's handy fish classification advice in earlier posts here
), then call it is a premium; if I am told to "trust the floor manager" and can not see evidence myself for a fish being a premium, then am I not just buying the cert? It is hard to have it both ways.
Which is why I say a premium fish should show premium characteristics now. Otherwise it is just a super red.
In any case, time will tell. The only area you and I are really competing in right now is the super red category, and so I will defend my choice just as you will defend yours. I hope we can continue to take this debate all as good sport!
First, I disagree that you can properly sort 6 inch Super Reds into premium grades. Sure, you can weed out PLJ or shark bite, but if the fish does not show colour then there is no guarantee it will show premium colour when older, just promises and % odds.
Second, you state that a premium SR can not be gotten for under $700-800. I agree with you, which is why I never offer to sell a premium at that price. Since you inisist on calling all Diablo reds "premiums", however, irrespective of size, I will ask you to explain the cost of these Diablos offered for sale at
$999 Singapore dollars here:
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431901
$999 Singapore dollars works out to $785 Canadian. Add on $75 shipping per fish for an order of 20-30 shipped to Canada, plus GST etc., and the price comes out to under $1000.
While on the topic of that Diablo advertisement, can you explain the middle left and bottom left photos of the SR aros? Judging by the tails of the fish, they are the same fish (note the distinctive cut in the tail rays). Yet look at the bodies of the fish and they are different. One has scale damage, the other not. Those photos are a bit confusing.
I don't mean to be a pain in the ass here and give you a hard time. I happen to think you are a good guy and are doing good things for the Canadian hobby. I also think that Pang Long has top knotch, possibly best in category XB's, hands down no argument. When it comes to their small size Super Red's that do not show clear colour characteristics - being labled premiums, I really think the jury is out. It comes back to buy the fish, not the cert. If the fish shows colour and looks good (follow Ryan's handy fish classification advice in earlier posts here
), then call it is a premium; if I am told to "trust the floor manager" and can not see evidence myself for a fish being a premium, then am I not just buying the cert? It is hard to have it both ways.Which is why I say a premium fish should show premium characteristics now. Otherwise it is just a super red.
In any case, time will tell. The only area you and I are really competing in right now is the super red category, and so I will defend my choice just as you will defend yours. I hope we can continue to take this debate all as good sport!
